Fujitsu Refurbished Drives
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Monday, May 26, 2008
| Matters concerning GreatDeals00, acting as
Best Deals Anywhere, of Lancaster, California, and of eBay and Fujitsu, in
relation to hard drive purchases. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Important: Sunday, January 13th., 2008: Jas, of GreatDeals00 offered a total refund, less one already done regarding a UPS snafu. This implies, without a doubt, that he was scared about the details that I had placed on my website. He must have been apprised, via eBay, of what I had written. This prompted him first to offer me the drive price, and then to agree to my request for the offer to include postage. It occurred after he had firstly answered an email I had sent a month previously. My reply started this bargaining dance. The monetary part was immediately, almost, placed in my PayPal account. Read into this what you will! My conclusion is that it is a clear admission of guilt. January 21st., 2008: Have returned the pages to
a state allowing others who have contacted me to understand where
the problems arose. This is certainly allowable, a part of the
freedom of speech. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The drives are all nominally Fujitsu 147GB U320 SCSI, model
MAT3147NC, of which 18
have been bought from this dealer, and of which 6 have failed.
Nominally is the true adjective because the images that appear on
the eBay listings are all without a drive cover. No label is ever
shown, in contrast to the advertisements claiming all drives are of
Fujitsu origin. This dealer is the dominant seller of 147 and 73GB
U320 drives on eBay.
I have had one drive replaced by GreatDeals00, which proved
faulty, and has never worked. I would be happy to forward one or
more of these drives to Fujitsu for analysis. Currently, six of eighteen 147GB U320 drives purchased have
died. The 73GB U320 drives I bought have given no trouble so far.
Two drives bought from other sellers were replaced: one was the
wrong size, and the other was replaced without a murmur. That was a
Maxtor, which, naturally, shows up in any form as what it is, as do
other drives. Only those drives supplied by the GreatDeals00
organisation provide improper information. Nearly all of the following information can be found on the TimeLine
pages for 2007 and 2008: additional information that is added
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The email address of the person
who is purportedly the manager at GreatDeals00: This person has
the name Jas,
no surname provided at any time: [greatdeals00@yahoo.com] The given address, on the shipping documentation, is: 357 E Ave K-8 Unit 103 Lancaster CA 93535 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ September 28th., 2007: I received the final drive for my eServer xSeries 220. Problems occurred with the drive, because it wanted to be regarded as basic only, and after googling for information I found this, with attendant comments. These notes were added to both the Dell and the Petri XP forums:
This is regarding a problem with dynamic drives on
a Dell Precision, but becomes related to problems with drives from
GreatDeals00: I have discovered in my Microsoft boxes, especially the Dell Precision, that these drives can cause problems because they lack model and other recognition enablers. These are drives that the seller states are particular Fujitsu model designations in the eBay listings. When one receives the drives, either ModusLnk or Qualitas is shown as labelling, and nothing other than that, except in the eServer, is shown in device manager. The only drive in the IBM eServer that gave me a problem was a ModusLnk with no identifier. The other two ModusLnk 73GB U320 drives had a model designation, and gave no problems. The one that did could not be kept dynamic, and kept giving me a 'name illegal' when trying to access it under Windows Explorer. When I changed it to basic, it worked fine. The opposite to what my problem was in the Dell with the U320 147GB drives.
September 29th., 2007: These are the hard drive allocations for Durham and
Devon:
Given what the quotation above states, it will be
interesting to see how the Adaptec 3200s, in the Compaq ML570 G
server, to which I shall attach
four U320 147GB ModusLnk drives (the eBay seller, Great Deals,
quotes them as Fujitsu as usual) to begin with, copes with lack of
details/serial numbers. These drives are currently in transit. I do hope that everything works, but sod's law applies inexorably. I downloaded from Fujitsu a Windows diagnostic tool (right click to download), which failed to recognise any of the drives in the Dell. Apparently, and not unexpectedly, the ModusLnk refurbishing removes all identifiers in the drives. As the blurb above mentions, one cannot find ModusLnk on the Web. Only references to problems people are having can be discovered, mainly not in English: I really wonder about that. These drives are readily available on eBay from the US vendor. I really don't know if ModusLnk is a sub-contractor to Fujitsu or otherwise related. I am at a loss to understand why the vendor can quote them as being Fujitsu and they patently are not. When properly installed they seem as good as anything else. I shouldn't press my luck, should I? October 1st., 2007: Now then, there is not a problem with dynamic drives, as I had thought, on the eServer. I have used Disk Management again and changed the ModusLnk, the one with no other descriptor, to dynamic. Although it would not accept the name I had given it immediately after altering its type, a reboot brought the drive up named and usable in Windows Explorer. Disk Management added the usual 8MB unallocated space to the end of the drive. I have copied and deleted files and installed a programme using this drive and everything works properly. So, what now with the Dell? The Compaq ML570 will be used for the next Fujitsu/ModusLnk batch of purchased drives. The next drives to arrive will be the four 147GB U320 from Great Deals, aka Best Deals Anywhere (see above). There are other suppliers on eBay, and I will attempt to capture a couple from one of them and ultimately determine their usability. Mix and match, no doubt, to test them all. It will be interesting to see what happens on the ML570. But, given that although the Dell works well, I will not add a RAID card to it if the computer cannot allow dynamic drives and possibly be unusable, although external attachment to a drive array is a possibility. October 5th., 2007: Four U320 drives arrived today, sent via UPS and not by USPS (note the difference!), which resulted in a significant increase in the average cost of these items won on eBay. This is my current argument with the vendor.
They were placed in the ML570, Cornwall. Firstly,
Disk Management was used to delete the volume for the old set of
drives (six 18.2GB Ultra-2). Secondly, the Adaptec Storage Manager
was used in Windows to break the RAID-5 arrangement in the lower
cage. While the computer was still running, the four Ultra-2 drives
I decided to replace were removed and de-sledded. The four U320
drives were themselves sledded and placed in the relevant slots. Note how the drives in the images above delineate these nominal Fujitsu drives. Some have an obvious BIOS classification, others do not. All were sold by GreatDeals00 as real, refurbished Fujitsu models, the labelling does not tell one this, since they are all either ModusLnk or Worldisk, with no other identifiers.
October 15th I had tried to copy something over the network and the operation failed because it couldn't reach the RAID drive. Then, on a reboot, the Adaptec card set off its audible failure signal. Ctrl-A revealed a failed drive, and a degraded array. However, the machine started up and Adaptec Storage Manager was opened to check the situation. I had removed the drive before I thought of making an image of the Adaptec screen with its big red X where it designated the drive in Channel 1 (1:01:0) of the lower cage as dead. An image of the array can be seen in the entry for October 5th., above. Some of the current drive assignments have altered, but not with regard to this particular RAID-5 array. Of course, I immediately copied all of the newer data, using xcopy, to other storage destinations on my network. There are two drives at the Post Office, and one will replace the failed drive. I need to acquire even more drives to fill the cages to my satisfaction. This unfortunate event is a temporary glitch before that can happen. October 15th., 2007: An interesting time with the drives and the Adaptec 3200s RAID adapter. I picked up the two drives at the Post Office. I returned home and placed them in the lower cage, alongside the remaining three U320 147GB drives. I decided to try the supposedly dead drive in slot 6 (id 5). There was a major problem with a small (1.26MB) drive at ID 06 apparently a part of the particular RAID-5 set up, and this was giving the system fits. I removed the 'dead' drive, and set up the two new drives in the Adaptec Storage Manager in Windows, after using Disk Management to see what it had found. I managed eventually to gather these five drives into a running RAID-5 array, that is building at its snail like pace as I write this. The tiny drive disappeared entirely at some stage. It must have been a part of the 'dead' drive. One extra thing is that I had copied off all of the data this morning, and therefore there was nothing new. The phantom tiny drive that was shown in Ctrl-A screens caused me to delete the original RAID-5 array and recreate it. I have no clue what caused the drive error, it could have been dust, an electrical brown-out or equally easily something else entirely. Whatever it was it caused this particular drive to play dead: I think the tiny volume appeared at the beginning of the drive, and the necessity to have equal volumes throughout the array obviously caused the Adaptec failure indication.
Placing the supposed dead drive into the top slot in
the cage resulted in it being recognised within the Ctrl-A Adaptec
DOS set up, and it seems to work. I shall add it to the array when
it finishes its build. At the same time as it's building it allows
me, under Win2k, to copy all of the data back. After all, one has to
try everything to determine what or what's not allowable. After 16
hours, the build is at 24%, truly snail like even though Adaptec
Storage Manager Pro states it's running at 'high speed'. At this
rate adding
the sixth drive to the array will not be possible for another two
days.
One other item I discovered in the Adaptec 3200s Ctrl-A pages: all of the ModusLnk are at revision 5704, except for 1:01:0 which is 6688. There are some differences between drives, I see. But, no software or BIOS on the other computers containing ModusLnk drives gives anything like this degree of information.
October 30th., 2007: The drives for the ML570
are slowly arriving so that I can update the total storage space
available in the upper drive cage. Two to go. One drive was seemingly acting up, of the drives already present, but a format and reactivation and a deletion of missing drives in Disk Management has cured that. I had forgotten to remove the indicator in Disk Management for drives that have been replaced in the cage: doing that cleared the error report. Note, in the image above, that there are minor differences in the total space available for each nominal 147GB drive. Note also that one of the Fujitsu/ModusLnk/Worldisk drives has no model number. Sometimes that will cause problems in an array. If it's the only one here, that shouldn't hurt. Chip sets are obviously not equivalent throughout the examples in the cages. So far, so good. The drives arrive one by one because I don't want to use UPS, since the brokerage fees at the border from their third-party partners is extortionate, as I have previously mentioned. We'll see if the array for the upper cage can be built starting some day this week. I expect the building of the RAID-5 array to take about three days. When completed it will provide enough space for mostly anything I can dream of. November 18th., 2007: I have emailed Fujitsu Canada to find out, if they respond, what connections with ModusLnk they are aware of. If not, I'll try Fujitsu Japan. Here are three images showing, firstly, the current drive arrays in Cornwall, the ML570 W2kAS AD Domain Controller, and, in the other two, some of the purchases I have made recently on eBay with the relevant naming of the drives by the vendor: The beginning of my problems with GreatDeals, Jas bans me from bidding around this time: simply because of my approval of his sales, but disapproval of his naming infraction. It should be clear that all of the drives from Best Deals Anywhere, appearing on eBay under the name of greatdeals00, are offered as Fujitsu, and are delivered and appear anywhere as ModusLnk. The right-hand image above shows three purchases of U320 147GB drives which include statements that they are Fujitsu models. There are no hits for ModusLnk drives on Google that allow one to determine where in the world they are made, other than, more likely than not, somewhere in Malaysia. The drives do work, but I wonder about the ethical standards perhaps involved here.
Note that an earlier Adaptec ASM Pro illustration can
be found above in the entry for October 16th. The lower bay is
basically completed, with the addition of the larger drives, and the
upper not. But, the interesting point is that there are HP drives
below a Fujitsu and Compaq SCA examples. These are genuine articles,
presumably. See the latest image, above left, to show the current delineation.
November 19th., 2007: The strange thing about
the apparent transaction blocking of my bids on the hard drive
supplier is that actual activity on items for sale has dropped
significantly. I wonder whether there is a computer glitch
somewhere. I have emailed eBay and Best Deals Anywhere about this
apparent anomaly. It would be nice to find out that I had done
nothing wrong, because, in fact, I can't think of doing anything
untoward at all.
Later today: it would appear that I am in fact blocked by Best
Deals Anywhere, because of my negative drive transaction feedback comments. Positive but
negative, you understand. I was never advised that this would
happen. The hint of appalling protocol arises.
November 20th., 2007: Came home from a
Microsoft Seminar, Unified Communications Launch 2007, to do
with Office Communications Server, Office Communicator 2007, to find
that no word from GreatDeals00 had arrived. So, I have opened a
dispute under PayPal's aegis. In the PayPal object boxes: Furthermore: November 21st., 2007: The SpinRite pages on
Gibson's
site tell one that modern drives cannot be low-level
formatted. This contraindicates what Jas at GreatDeals00 asked me. I
had not done a format, and won't, even if the clattery noises that
arise are symptomatic of platter or chip control failures. It is,
like every other drive that is of late manufacture, of any kind, a
SMART drive, and can predict failures, and this clearly is what
happened.
I decided, after all, to run the low level format, which was done
on the ML570. It failed, see below in the body of the email sent to
GreatDeals00. Lots of work for nothing. Consequently, my
response to Jas' latest email was this:
Therefore, given the charade that has occurred and the work that
I have undertaken to prove this drive is unusable, I reiterate that
I should have a new drive sent to me asap. November 24th.,
2007: Here, concerning the ModusLnk Fujitsu dead drive scenario,
is my latest email reply to Best Deals Anywhere:
Sir,
You have prevaricated at your end,
failing to send me a reply to earlier emails about the drive, and
only doing so when I complained to eBay. Therefore, why allow me a
mere 7-day limitation in returning the drive?
In fact, I require that you send me
the drives before I return the dead one to you. Then I can be sure
that what I receive is in good condition. You can have no qualms
that I would not honour my obligation. This email is copied to
certain people who are aware of my good character. (Also, see the
final statement below.)
Further, I have been on your eBay
greatdeals00 feedback pages.
I have determined that _most_ of the
complaints have indeed related to U320 147GB nominally Fujitsu
drives, especially those sent to customers in bunches. Most of these
disappointed customers also realised that they were not receiving
genuine Fujitsu products. It wouldn't be so bad if you would admit
this was the case.
Does eBay know what is happening?
I wonder too whether all of the
other complainants have been blocked from bidding as I have been.
That is an unethical stance; and I doubt that eBay would be in
favour of such censorship.
Note that I was not joking when I
mentioned that you should add an extra drive to compensate for the
convoluted way you have been attempting to deny your
responsibilities.
I will be contacting Fujitsu
immediately (I have already been in contact with them about certain
technical issues) unless you do the decent thing, and admit that
these drives are not wholly of their manufacture: that, indeed, they
have been modified by a third party. Otherwise, this is blatant
misrepresentation, is it not?
Finally, one latest point: most
genuine vendors have a website and an attendant email that is not
related to webmail and suchlike impermanence.
Regards,
-----Original Message-----
From: Jas [mailto:greatdeals00@yahoo.com]
Paul
November 26th., 2007: The Dell will not reveal any USB flash
drives in Windows Explorer. If one has a programme window open and
go to Save As, then both USB drives present in the front connectors
on the Dell, are easily seen as Removable Disk J: and R: in the
image shown below:
November 28th., 2007: Here is the label on the
ModusLnk defective drive: PayPal reviews every transaction before it is approved, and occasionally, we must limit funding options for a given payment. All aspects of the transaction, including the merchant's settings and PayPal's statistical models are reviewed in making this decision. From time to time, these complex security measures may affect some accounts in good standing. I regret any inconvenience this may have caused. (Editor's emphasis) If this is not what you meant by 'payments to vendors that PayPal forces with no warning,' please contact me back with further information so that I can address your additional concerns. Thank you for being a valuable member of the PayPal community. Original Message Follows: Well, time will tell about the actual drive, since my PayPal account has been credited for the last two drives I ordered from the company. Good grief!! I will be very surprised if a drive does turn up. If not, then the company personnel lied, but I can see no reason why. It only leads to further problems for them. December 7th., 2007:
The fifth anniversary of the death of my mother. Tempus fugit.
So, even though I had to invoke Directory Services Recovery Mode to fix an lsass.exe error, after replacing the 36GB with the 73GB (the drive with the error), and use NTBackup to restore the system state, the main server, Cornwall, still works. I shall run SpinRite in level 4 to see if it can fix the start up error for this new drive. Not that it should matter unduly, since I have, this evening, won a genuine Fujitsu drive off eBay, that will be held to replace today's arrival should it prove unreliable. I ran SpinRite on level 2 and it revealed nothing wrong. I then started a run at level 4, and it will take about 12 hours. December 8th., 2007: SpinRite ran overnight and into the morning on level 4, checking the drive. The conclusion: no errors. The drive has been running now in the machine for over a day and is not showing any signs of quitting. Here are two relevant images: Clicking on the above produces an image that shows
the health of the drives under Disk Management. Oddment is the EISA
partition at the end of the Daffodil drive. Daffodil is the device
in question, a U320 73GB replacement for a U160 36GB SCSI drive. The
second image shows Device Manager and Daffodil is the Compaq
BD0728856A indicated. December 9th., 2007: Back to square one: it was necessary to remove the 73GB U320, because of the warning and the fact that it stopped the boot up process every time. The original 36B U160 was put back and, of course, works as well as it usually did. Then, one ModusLnk giving the system fits, a Seagate version was installed as a replacement in Cornwall, the ML570. The RAID array is rebuilding. Will have to see what the vendor of the HP/Compaq 73GB U320 comes up with. On the other hand, I'll try it in the other Dell to see if native U320 drivers make a difference. Unlikely.
Update: the final ModusLnk that comes up without any
model delineation failed today in Cornwall. Therefore, the RAID-5
array had to be rebuilt, but with four Fujitsu/ModusLnk U320 147GB,
since none of that size were available. On the other hand, the
peculiar U320 72.8GB U320 drive was installed in the cage, and
promptly started to behave correctly. It is, as can be seen in this
image, next to the newly installed Seagate.
December 11th., 2007:
There have been three,
plus the one that replaced another that died, of the score of 147GB
U320 drives sold by GreatDeals00 (Best Deals Anywhere) that have
failed in the past week or more. There has, of course, been a good
reason for me to contact their company again. Notwithstanding that
it is too early to expect a reply, if one is indeed to come, I
thought it might be instructive to show a few images. This morning,
around 0840hrs, I decided to visit eBay and check 147GB drives.
The next two images are of the drive that is fourth
from the top in the picture above, from Unity Electronics: Both images above and below taken from the vendor's page
Now,
look at this image taken from the vendor description for the first,
or any other of this vendor's offerings of any date, that shows how he describes
his wares: It does state in the advertisement that it is factory reconditioned and is in like new condition: but that infers official factory, Fujitsu reconditioning, not some sweatshop deep in the once forested Malaysian zone. Also, the Buy It Now price of Only $169.99 is not exactly comparative to the overall intention? None of the other drives (i.e. not supplied by GreatDeals00) have failed in at least five years. That plainly shows that even if they were used when I took ownership, their reliability is of far greater magnitude.
This is a most important fact: reliability is
normally excellent, and I have received many second-hand drives,
none of which have failed in a significant time limit. Tuesday, December 18th., 2007: The vendor continues to ignore me, so I am thinking of involving the LA police/sheriff's department. I did, yesterday, regale eBay concerning this scenario of pathetic drive quality. They responded by thanking me, and there may be developments with the 'Jas man'. I do hope so, because even if I can't be refunded what I have so far lost, in kind or in geld, taking his false goods off the market would be a good Christmas present for eBay customers. And for Fujitsu. 2007/2008 boundary Friday, January 4th., 2008: GreatDeals00 indeed. The last two zeros imply something. Yet another 147GB U320 drive is giving me problems. I have bought too many drives to be fooled by thinking that the failure rate of this vendor's goods is normal. Four of eighteen of this capacity have now failed. Given my experiences with other drives, of all types, whatever this dealer is selling are fake goods. Here is the email I sent to GreatDeals00
today:
Best Deals Anywhere
welcomes you our ebay store. We offer low prices with great
quality products everyday. All auctions start at .01 and we have
new products coming in daily. We are one of Ebays top sellers so
you can bid with confidence each and every time. We have served
over 200,000 customers and counting. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Here is my statement The above is taken from your ungrammatical blurb contained in an offer for a Fujitsu 147GB U320 drive selling today.
Yet another of the
eighteen drives of this capacity that I have bought from your
store has now failed. This makes five when one includes the
replacement drive that never worked.
It is clear from the
amount of goods sold by you that people are being scammed. That
the feedback states how happy they are is ridiculous: they can
have no idea what they are buying. I had, late last year, approached eBay: their statement that anything they do must be kept private, given that this vendor's drives constitute a significant proportion of all of the U320 drives sold within their structure, means that the money they make from him clouds their thinking. The problem is serious: I cannot afford to have drives fail like this, for any reason. Here is the email sent to me by eBay after my complaint:
Tuesday, January 8th., 2008: I was woken in the night by the sound of an alarm. It was the ML570, and the source was the Adaptec 3200s adapter. On it was a Jas man 147GB U320 that had failed, and I was being told about it. Not another one: so, I arose and for a couple of hours worked at replacing the drive and starting on the build for a new array. Thursday, January 10th., 2008: Awoken at 06:00 hours by the Adaptec 3200s: yet another of the Jas man's U320 147GB drives has failed. This was probably why the array was taking such a long time to build. There was only 2% completed after two days, and when I checked visually last night the faulty drive that gave notice this morning had its drive action light on constantly. Should have reasoned why, shouldn't I? Back to TimeLine 2008 |